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I could blame it on information overload or simply confess that my willful ignorance about a women's reproductive health issue happened because it's not personally relevant to me. However, it may well have ominous political as well as social consequences that may not affect me individually but that may set a precedent for the future of women's health. So I know that somewhere, possibly not in health, there are threads about Gardasil, and I can close this one or link to them.

I had coffee with a friend this morning who talked about Gardasil, as someone inside the system who's wondering out loud if the scenario unfolding is right out of Le Carré's thriller, The Constant Gardener. That shocked me right out my complacency, I must admit.

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So now I'm thinking and gathering information, comments, and will be posting here (or somewhere else, if I can find the fricking thread!!!).

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Here's one http://www.breadnroses.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=210

I think there's one other. I'll look.


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Do a search on cervical cancer, deBeauxOs -- we have at least one and maybe two threads going.


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There was a longish article yesterday in the Glob about the vaccine and young vaccinees.

With the theme of the article, I was a bit disappointed that there was no mention of the fact that afaik, grade 6 girls are still being vaccinated against German measles. I know I was, back in the day (not that long ago) - and we knew that the vaccine was to protect any eventual baby we decided to have from some pretty serious consequences. The link between one day having a baby and how to have the baby wasn't explicitly spelled out, but no one was that ignorant.

So here we have parents, who are around my age, agonising about a decision to protect their daughters from the idea of getting a vaccine to protect against a STD? I don't get the distinction, w/r to German measles.

Some day your daughters are going to have sex, and you don't know when that moment will be!!! I feel like saying. Idem for German measles - I had a friend who had her first baby at 13.

That said, I can understand a hesitancy to embark on generalised vaccination programs if people have concerns against vaccine overload, or eventual collective or individual neglect of Pap smears - which to me are more important than Gardasil because cervical cancer may also be caused by different strains of HPV that are not included in the vaccine.


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brebis noire, you make an excellent point about the German Measles vaccine. I confess, I didn't connect the Rubella shot to some far-away-putative pregnancy until I was 23, and an occupational health nurse was checking my titre for work-clearance.

While not a 'disease,' pregnancy is definitely 'sexually transmitted,' eh? Or so I've been told :tinfoil:


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Jeebers, I'm thick. I was a kid when they came out with the German measles vaccine and the line given (or what I remember) was that it was to prevent us kids from giving the disease to pregnant women. It never occurred to me -- until right now -- that it was for me as a pre-pregnant person. :shock:


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Hah, they got you. :wink:
But did they vaccinate boys against German measles back then? When I got mine in 1979 or 1980, it was only for girls, so they couldn't exactly feed us that line. I remember it being explained rather matter-of-factly by the school nurse or whomever. I'm not sure there was even much of a choice involved - it was like, vaccine scheduled for this date, you will be vaccinated. I guess protestors would've taken their kid out of school for the half-day.
But nobody would've protested on moral grounds.


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Good point ... perhaps the boys should also be receiving Gardasil because they are propagators of HPV.

The info that my friend gave me is that the individual who sold the idea for the vaccination to the Bush administration may have a vested interest in governments establishing mandatory inoculation programs. At $300-400 per child, the pharma who produces Gardasil stands to make considerable profits. And her concern is that the company is pushing the HIV / AIDS buttons to create a climate of urgency, so that longitudinal studies on the effect Gardasil could have on women's reproductive health are not required. :evil:

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The Catholic School Board is making a decision within the hour if they are allowing public health into their schools for the shot.

McGuinty says regardless of vote it will be available thru public health.

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Wanna bet this is going to become an issue during the election, morals/religion/science, ye gads I'm bored already.

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But did they vaccinate boys against German measles back then?


Is that the classic "MMR" (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccine that leaves a subway token-sized scar on your upper arm?

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The Catholic School Board is making a decision within the hour if they are allowing public health into their schools for the shot.


I would have hoped it would be a public health issue, not a moral issue. How does it fall within a school board's jurisdiction to decide whether citizens can or cannot be immunized against a disease?

If God really, really wants promiscuous girls to die, isn't that what runaway buses are for? I mean, if anyone could just drop a piano on their heads, cartoon style, He could.

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But did they vaccinate boys against German measles back then?


Is that the classic "MMR" (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) vaccine that leaves a subway token-sized scar on your upper arm?


Yup, the R in MMR is for German measles (Rubella), although I don't think it leaves that kind of scar - I think you're remembering the old polio vaccine from when we were kids.

I had to look this up, and it appears that up until fairly recently, only girls were given the booster shot for Rubella - at least in the UK, and Canada (as I fully remember it).
http://www.medinfo.co.uk/conditions/rubella.html

But now all kids get boosters of the MMR shots, at various ages, including the kindergarten booster, which I still haven't got for my little kindergartener 'cause my frigging family doctor won't see people who aren't sick or pregnant. :rant: So I guess it's hello CLSC again, hello anonymous, interchangeable doctor. :roll:


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[url=http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070918/hpv_debate_070918/20070918?hub=TopStories]Late Tuesday night, the Halton Catholic District School Board narrowly voted to approve use of the vaccine.

A school board in Sudbury, Ont. has already instituted a ban on the program. And the Toronto District Catholic School Board is expected to vote on the issue Wednesday.

A letter from Ontario's conference of Bishops had urged the Halton board not to make the vaccine available to its students on religious grounds. [/url]

IThis is going to be so f boring I can't believe it. as gawd is my witness, parents are so goddam stupid that they can't engage their own kids in their own way, with the facts, the risks, the pros, the cons. Give their honest to gawd opinion and then let the kid decide. This bullshit the medicos are saying 'it must be given earlier to be effective' well I don't buy it.

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The old small pox vaccine left a distinctive waffled/indented scar.

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was that smallpox? I thought smallpox vaccination ended before I was vaccinated... :?

According to this article, that was in 1972.
But still I have a distinct three-needle circular scar on my left shoulder...


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The old small pox vaccine left a distinctive waffled/indented scar.


My mom got the doctor to give me the shot on the inside of my arm so I wouldn't have a scar showing on my upper arm :roll:


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ThisCanadian blogged about Gardasil - a lot of info, not all coherently laid out, but I will try to track down if any women's organizations have expressed concern about the desultory research - none longitudinal - done to demonstrate that the vaccine is safe for pre-adolescent or pubescent girls.

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ThisCanadian blogged about Gardasil - a lot of info, not all coherently laid out, but I will try to track down if any women's organizations have expressed concern about the desultory research - none longitudinal - done to demonstrate that the vaccine is safe for pre-adolescent or pubescent girls.


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wow, truth in advertising.
too bad we can't find that from our healthcare.

you know, there are many ways of being a bitch... & making catty editorializations about a fellow messageboard member for exerting research effort ranks mighty high.

what you want pretty pictures? video? a layout that you *prefer*? the research laid out like a pretty little book for your reading pleasure?

awww boo hoo, it isn't laid out to your preferences.
go do your own research then.

but save the bitchy for somebody else.

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Y'all came all the way over here to make your fourth post and that's it?


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It was a good blog entry, just difficult to read and when I posted my comment it was late and I was tired and too lazy to pick my way through the brambles, :oops: sorry. You wrote a big and weighty blog, packed with a lot of resources and references.

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Blueberry, I especially liked the politico investment part in this. As well as the competition with the other pharmo which will be out in 08. Parents who use Garisil cannot use the other as a top-up later, not compatible. I know nobody goes to Life Site, but sometimes it can be informative.

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The LifeSiteNews.com report on the moneyed lobbying efforts of Merck in the U.S. was reported in February. (see http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/feb/07020204.html )

However the Canadian lobby effort by Merck's Canadian affiliate Merck Frosst Canada has been underway using powerful lobbyists with close connections to the politicians who have signed off on massive government funded vaccination programs.

The Toronto Star recently reported that Merck Frosst Canada Ltd hired public relations giant Hill & Knowlton to push the immunization strategies using some well-connected lobbyists: Ken Boessenkool, a former senior policy adviser to Prime Minister Stephen Harper; Bob Lopinski, formerly with Premier Dalton McGuinty's office; and Jason Grier, former chief of staff to Health Minister George Smitherman.

Harper's Conservative Government approved Merck's HPV vaccine Gardasil in July and later announced a $300 million program to give the vaccine to girls from ages 9-13. That of course is only the beginning of what Merck likely hopes will be a much larger vaccination of all potentially sexually active women in Canada who are not already HPV infected. In August, McGuinty's Ontario Liberals, on the advice of his Health Minister George Smitherman, announced that all Grade 8 girls will have free access to Gardasil.


http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/sep/07092004.html

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Howtf did pap smears (for cancer) ever get connected to sex?
I have no idea how accurate this is and would certainly like to hear from women in N.B. But this must be criminal in some way. Goddam vagina hating bastards!

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Oh and there is a Christians Medical Association with plenty of Canadian physicians/dentists etc., as members.
http://www.cmda.org/AM/Template.cfm

And the Canadian version is called Canadian Physicians for Life :roll:
http://www.physiciansforlife.ca/

Haven't checked, but wonder if there is Con money support.

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I'm not sure that it is 100 per cent true, but HPV is mostly sexually transmitted. I'm not sure that virgins develop cervical cancer (unless secondarily, maybe).


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I'm sure that "certain" doctors love to believe that virgins can't get cervical cancer, but the fact is, their cherished belief is trumped by biology. You can get cervical cancer if you have a cervix. Of course, even minimal sexual activity is the main risk factor, but I'd hate to be the doctor who insists that virgins can't get cervical cancer, and then end up faced with one who has an advanced case because my beliefs didn't allow me to do Pap smears for her. :roll:

That said, I'm pretty sure that my inability to get an appointment with my doctor for a Pap smear, among other things, has nothing to do with her beliefs. I'm seriously starting to wonder if I can send in the swab myself.


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Somewhere in the back of my mind I thought I had read that there are some cervical primaries not caused by HPV, but I wasn't sure of that. So thanks, brebis noire.

This disease always takes me back to the friend I knew who died of it, so unnecessarily ... So many people were so hurt and angry for so long, still are.


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I had a doctor explain to me many years ago that they do not usually do PAP tests on women who are virgins because they are statistically unlikely to develop cervical cancer. As she put it "Nuns don't get it."

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Yup. But statistics don't have much meaning for a person who has the disease.
Rabies is also extremely rare. Except when you get it, you die.

I understand very well from a public health pov, stats and risk factors are very important when deciding which screening tests to apply "at large". But if it's already decided that Pap screening is to be done in a population, docs, especially ones with biased beliefs, shouldn't be allowed to refuse to do them. If they can't deal with human beings in their natural state of sexuality and individuality, then maybe they should go back to school - divinity school.


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It is an odd assumption about nuns as well. Nuns have to take a vow of chastity - not necessarily have been virgins before entering the orders. Some orders often accepted widows, others took in "fallen women" who had reformed...

I suspect that skdadl's late friend also went through an extended dry spell (though of course I don't know) and just had nothing to do with such medical checkups. I certainly did that, and didn't have a pap for several years. Have since then of course, but at the time I couldn't have tolerated anyone poking at me - as far as I was concerned it was all over and done with down there.

But now it is hard to even get an appointment, while on the contrary there should be regular screening clinics, even for women who don't have an attending physician. (And of course the same for diseases common among men).

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My friend was in her early fifties, and she had not had a Pap smear for ten years.

Like lagatta -- like a lot of us, I'm sure -- I can understand why she was resisting being medicalized. I go through periods of that. So I never felt anger at my friend, but I heard other people express it. And then I just heard a lot of clucking of tongues, which upset me a lot. I don't think that people who've really been in trouble do that.

It was wrong, somehow, and yet I have never felt I could blame her. I don't know how to explain this. I just wish it hadn't happened to her, but it did.


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So, do they give it to boys?

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That's an interesting question about several STDs that women get medicated for and men seem not to. I think that men can pass on some yeast infections, eg, but it's the women who end up going for the prescriptions, or at least that is my vague memory. (I have graduated from these problems. :wink: )

Anyway, I don't know whether anyone has thought of addressing HPV in men.


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I recently edited a series on cervical cancer and Gardasil, and the specialists are definitely wondering if HPV vaccination could be beneficial in men. If it weren't for the cost of the vaccine, that is. It's something like 300$ for the three doses, and for the best effectiveness, it has to be given before they become sexually active (i.e. before contact with the virus, which is of course unknown).

The HPV vaccine targets the subtypes that are the most likely to cause cervical cancer or anogenital warts, but as there are about 100 subtypes, there might be others that can cause disease, just much more rarely.

And anyways, they won't even know for at least 20 years if the vaccine is truly effective or what other effects can be anticipated, and all of the specialists are warning that it's no substitute for Pap smears and preventive check-ups.

But in general, HPV and cervical cancer is just another in a long list of STIs that have worse consequences for women than for men - just because of anatomy and biology.


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HPV sucks and vaccines should be available to anyone who needs or wants them. And they definitely shouldn't be $300, but what do I know?

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...because the Food & Drug Administration approved the patch, the company is arguing in court that it cannot be sued by women who claim that they were injured by the product — even though its old label inaccurately described the amount of estrogen it released.

This legal argument is called pre-emption. After decades of being dismissed by courts, the tactic now appears to be on the verge of success, lawyers for plaintiffs and drug companies say. ...
“Johnson & Johnson knew that F.D.A. does not have the funding or the manpower to police drug companies,” Ms. Abaray said.

A series of independent assessments have concluded that the agency is poorly organized, scientifically deficient and short of money. In February, its commissioner, Andrew C. von Eschenbach, acknowledged that the agency faces a crisis and may not be “adequate to regulate the food and drugs of the 21st century.”

The F.D.A. does not test experimental medicines but relies on drug makers to report the results of their own tests completely and honestly. Even when companies fail to follow agency rules, officials rarely seek to penalize them. “These are scientists, not cops,” said David Vladeck, a professor at Georgetown Law School.

Last month, at a trial over the schizophrenia drug Zyprexa, Dr. John Gueriguian, a scientist who worked at the F.D.A. for two decades, testified that the agency did not always ask for strong warnings even if it believed a drug was risky. Companies typically oppose warnings, and the agency knows it must compromise on its requests or face years of delay, Dr. Gueriguian said.

“We at the F.D.A. know what we can obtain and we cannot obtain,” Dr. Gueriguian said. “We have many, many problems, and we have a management system — what we can’t obtain we will not ask.”

For years, top officials at the agency acknowledged that lawsuits could aid the agency’s oversight of safety issues. In the last decade, suits over Zyprexa, the withdrawn pain pill Vioxx, the withdrawn diabetes medicine Rezulin, the withdrawn heartburn medicine Propulsid and several antidepressants have shown that companies played down the risks of their medicines and failed to disclose clinical trials to the public even as they have aggressively marketed their drugs.

But now, the agency says a proliferation of lawsuits could lead to an overlapping patchwork of rules that would burden companies and might discourage patients from taking useful medicines.

The Ortho case, however, suggests that Johnson & Johnson, like other drug makers, is not always quick to tell the F.D.A. about potential problems with its medicines.

In 1996, the company told the agency it planned to develop the Ortho Evra patch in part because it would be likely to expose women to less estrogen than pills. The company suggested that the body would not break down hormones delivered via the patch as readily as the pill, so lower doses could be used to achieve contraception. And unlike the pill, which must be taken daily, the patch is changed weekly.

High doses of estrogen are known to raise the risk for blood clots that can cause heart attacks and strokes.

But a crucial trial completed in 1999 showed that the patch delivered 30 to 38 micrograms of estrogen into the bloodstream each day, according to company documents.
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Because up to half of the estrogen in pills is lost in the digestive tract before it reaches the blood, the study suggested that the patch delivered an amount of estrogen that could be as high as a pill containing 76 micrograms of estrogen. In 1988, the F.D.A. banned birth control pills with more than 50 micrograms of estrogen.

But the study’s author, Dr. Larry Abrams, who has since retired from Johnson & Johnson, decided to apply a “correction factor” to the results of the 1999 trial, according to documents. He claimed that the patch actually delivered about 40 percent less estrogen than the trial results showed — about 20 micrograms a day.

Dr. Abrams made the change, according to his deposition, to adjust for the different ways the body metabolizes hormones from pills and patches. This adjustment was never part of the study protocol, a plan filed with the F.D.A..

“The judgment was made by the pharmacokeneticists at the time that in doing the calculation, it was probably appropriate to make that correction,” Bob Tucker, a lawyer representing Johnson & Johnson, said in an interview Thursday. “Later on when people looked at it in a different time frame, they concluded that probably the correction shouldn’t be applied.” The company mentioned its decision to use the “correction factor” only once in a 435-page report filed with the F.D.A., and then only in a complex mathematical formula. When the study was published in 2002, there was no reference to the alteration.

Mr. Tucker said that the F.D.A. was aware of the “correction factor.”

Clinical trials conducted before the patch was approved raised other red flags, as patients complained of breast soreness and nausea. “The side effects seem related” to high estrogen doses, one company scientist wrote in an e-mail message.

Two other studies, one conducted in 1999 and another in 2003, confirmed that the patch released more estrogen than the pill. Still, Johnson & Johnson delayed reporting those results to the food and drug agency, according to documents that have been made public in lawsuits.

After the patch was approved, the company marketed it as releasing 20 micrograms of estrogen to the blood every 24 hours, a figure it now acknowledges was inaccurate. It also acknowledges that the patch releases more estrogen than the pill but says that the estrogen released under the two methods cannot be directly compared.

The New York Times provided the drug agency with a copy of a court brief and asked whether agency medical reviewers were aware of the “correction factor.”

Rita Chappelle, an F.D.A. spokeswoman, replied, “At present, we are reviewing the allegations and cannot comment further at this time.”

Prescriptions for the patch grew rapidly after its introduction, reaching more than 900,000 by March 2004, according to data from Wolters Kluwer, a company that tracks prescription trends. But as the use of the patch rose, so did reports of side effects.

By 2004, after the death of Zakiya Kennedy, an 18-year-old college freshman in New York, food and drug officials had become concerned.

In November 2005, the agency announced that it had placed a warning that the patch “exposes women to higher levels of estrogen than most birth control pills.”

Since then, an epidemiological study has shown that women on the patch can have as much as double the risk of blood clots than those taking pills. And prescriptions for the patch have fallen 80 percent.

Still, lawyers for Johnson & Johnson say that patients should not be allowed to sue the company because the F.D.A. approved the patch and its label.

“F.D.A. is responsible for making those decisions,” said John Winter, a lawyer for the company.

Judge David A. Katz of Federal District Court for the Northern District of Ohio is expected to rule soon on whether any of the lawsuits against Johnson & Johnson can go forward.

In the fall, the Supreme Court will hear a separate pre-emption case involving Wyeth, another drug company. Chris Seeger, a plaintiffs’ lawyer who has about 125 Ortho Evra cases, said he expected the court to rule in Wyeth’s favor.

“Our lawsuits are the ultimate check against the mistake made by the government, or fraud made by the companies against the government, or just an underfunded bureaucracy stretched thin,” he said.

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HPV sucks and vaccines should be available to anyone who needs or wants them. And they definitely shouldn't be $300, but what do I know?


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:shock: guess you'd better hope to hell that THE DRUG FUCKING WORKS as advertised, eh?

:whis: gee, people are so willing to believe these shitheads actually make drugs you'd WANT TO TAKE.

whatever gave you the idea that drugs are created for the PATIENTS & not the PATENTS?

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By Andrew MacLeod, Published: May 27, 2008, TheTyee.ca

A report written for the B.C. Health Ministry suggests the government should consider economic factors and whether it is supporting "innovation" when it decides which drugs to pay for through PharmaCare.

Health Minister George Abbott said he agrees the people who make the decisions on what drugs taxpayers pay for should take a broad view. But critics argue the economic needs of drug companies should not influence those decisions.

The report comes from a task force that was stacked with people with ties to the drug industry. The panel also heard from industry representatives and patient groups like the Better PharmaCare Coalition that are funded by drug companies.

"The existing process for listing gives insufficient weight to the value of innovation and essentially none to economic development factors," the report said drug industry representatives told the panel.

The government's pharmaceutical services division makes decisions about which drugs will be publicly paid for. Its goal is to "advance the health of British Columbians by supporting optimal drug therapy." Its first goal is to "support citizens to have the best possible health." It also tries to buy "the best drugs at the best prices."

The report said, "Senior PSD staff confirmed that MORE

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The first annual vaccination statistics for New South Wales to include Gardasil reveal a 1600 per cent surge in reported adverse side-effects among young females who were immunised last year.

These include allergic reactions, collapsing, dizziness, nausea and unexplained illnesses.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23 ... 21,00.html

Round and round the girls go. :evil:

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It looks as though health officials are still spouting the pharma party line:
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... it is monitoring the situation closely, but said the results did not outweigh the benefits of the vaccination program.

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arborman wrote:
HPV sucks and vaccines should be available to anyone who needs or wants them. And they definitely shouldn't be $300, but what do I know?


:shock: guess you'd better hope to hell that THE DRUG FUCKING WORKS as advertised, eh?

:whis: gee, people are so willing to believe these shitheads actually make drugs you'd WANT TO TAKE.

whatever gave you the idea that drugs are created for the PATIENTS & not the PATENTS?


Yup, that's me, a total fucking idiot without a basic grasp of vaccination.

HPV does a lot of damage to men and women, and a vaccine should be available.

I don't care why it was created, I care what it does. But it's a good one-liner anyways.

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The first annual vaccination statistics for New South Wales to include Gardasil reveal a 1600 per cent surge in reported adverse side-effects among young females who were immunised last year.

These include allergic reactions, collapsing, dizziness, nausea and unexplained illnesses.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23 ... 21,00.html

Round and round the girls go. :evil:


That article is written specifically to scare the hell out of you by using different measures and numbers in different paragraphs. 1600% PANIC 1600% increase in adverse reactions!!!!!!

A devastating 224, 133 of which were young women. The number they used is the 133 - a jump from 8 (of 70) the year before. What they don't say: Are the vaccines being given to more young women? Are more vaccines being given period? If they quadrupled the number administered and focused on young women as a key population, then the stats would make sense. Of course if that happened then there would be no 1600% PANIC PANIC article to get the heart going. They don't tell us the numbers at all, except for a few scary sounding ones utterly detached from the rest.

One number that does seem relevant is that 1.3 million Australians have been vaccinated - which makes 133, or 224, seem like an awfully small percentage to me.

The way the article reads, it's a scaremongering pile of bogus journalism. If the rest of the data is available I'd love to read it, but the numbers in that article tell us precisely nothing.

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