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 Anyone paying attention to our copyright laws? 
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http://www.digital-copyright.ca/petition/ict/

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The CDMCA is back--Michael Geist reports that Prentice will likely introduce the legislation tomorrow.

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Took that link to pogge, mattt with three tees. Thx.


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Thank YOU, skdadl.

As mentioned elsewhere, the media is likely to be distracted by the Mulroney circus. Which was likely the point of the delayed announcement.

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They've delayed it.

The NDP were pretty blistering in QP.

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Charlie Angus:
Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Industry clearly does not understand the issue of copyright because he has refused to meet with key Canadian stakeholders. He shut the door to universities and educators. He has ignored the advice of senior government bureaucrats and he has completely shut the door to consumer groups, artists and software innovators.

Meanwhile, his government has been rolling out the red carpet for corporate lobbyists and the U.S. ambassador.

Canadians have a right to know why they will be stuck with an unbalanced, one-sided piece of made in the U.S.A. copyright legislation.

Hon. Jim Prentice (Minister of Industry, CPC):
Mr. Speaker, I note impatience in my hon. friend's voice in his question.

The hon. member knows full well that the copyright bill has been under discussion in this country for a number of years. He also knows full well that our country has signed international treaties going back 10 years and that there are obligations pursuant to those treaties. However, he knows in particular that I am not at liberty to share the particulars of any piece of legislation until such time as it is tabled in the House.

The bill will not be tabled in the House until such time as myself and the Minister of Canadian Heritage, Status of Women and Official Languages are satisfied.

Mr. Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay, NDP):
Mr. Speaker, international obligations, that is pretty rich from a government that right now is trying to sabotage the talks in Bali because it might interfere with the pillaging of the tar sands.

What is also rich is that the government tabled the bill this morning. Now, three hours later, he is telling me that he has cold feet. What? Did he just discover Facebook this morning?

This is what happens when due diligence is not done. He has not spoken with the key Canadian stakeholders and he is embarrassing the House if he thinks he can keep dragging this out without meeting with the key innovators, artists groups, consumer advocates and education authorities.

Hon. Jim Prentice (Minister of Industry, CPC):
Mr. Speaker, I sense from the question that my hon. colleague is confused as to whether he is talking about Bali and the environment or copyright in Ottawa. He seems unclear as to whether a bill has been tabled or not tabled, whether he wants it tabled or does not want it tabled.

When there is some precision to his question I would be delighted to answer it.


Note Prentice avoiding any answers.

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arborman wrote:

Note Prentice avoiding any answers.


This is a tactic that these neoCons have honed to perfection. :evil:


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arborman wrote:

Note Prentice avoiding any answers.


This is a tactic that these neoCons have honed to perfection. :evil:


As our own Gordon Campbell told his new Minister Wally Oppal a couple of years ago - 'It's question period, not answer period.'

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:applause: Charlie Angus :yay:

I love this:

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What is also rich is that the government tabled the bill this morning. Now, three hours later, he is telling me that he has cold feet. What? Did he just discover Facebook this morning?

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I loved that bit, too sparqui. In fact, I just read it aloud to my fambly just before I read your comment!

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That was good. The Facebook group has had quite the impact, hasn't it.


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A different kind of copyright story, but potentially very important to bloggers.

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The Associated Press, one of the nation’s largest news organizations, said that it will, for the first time, attempt to define clear standards as to how much of its articles and broadcasts bloggers and Web sites can excerpt without infringing on The A.P.’s copyright.

The A.P.’s effort to impose some guidelines on the free-wheeling blogosphere, where extensive quoting and even copying of entire news articles is common, may offer a prominent definition of the important but vague doctrine of “fair use,” which holds that copyright owners cannot ban others from using small bits of their works under some circumstances. For example, a book reviewer is allowed to quote passages from the work without permission from the publisher.

Fair use has become an essential concept to many bloggers, who often quote portions of articles before discussing them. The A.P., a cooperative owned by 1,500 daily newspapers, including The New York Times, provides written articles and broadcast material to thousands of news organizations and Web sites that pay to use them.


Heh. I quoted too much of that.

It's an interesting problem. The AP sounds as though it is trying to think it through reasonably. I am m'self bothered by people who copy entire articles on to their blogs, not just because they're violating copyight but because it's hard to respect someone who hasn't done any work him/herself.


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Indeed AP's work on it seems inclusive and reasonable. I just posted it in another thread as well.

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Yabbut, sometimes all I have time for is a copy and paste! All I wanna do is get it spread around the blogosphere... :oops:

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Berlynn wrote:
Yabbut, sometimes all I have time for is a copy and paste! All I wanna do is get it spread around the blogosphere... :oops:

Yeah, me too. Half of the stuff I blog is almost a trail for myself to find my way back to things I read...


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Considering most forums and bloggers tend to excerpt and link back to the source material as well as acknowledge the source, you would think that they'd be happy that the practice drives traffic to their sites.

There is a similar conflict brewing over open access (I think?) information being published by academics. The academic journals are pissed off with the concept since they used to be the only ones publishing scholarly studies and essays (and their subscription rates are steep).

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I guess it depends a bit on who is getting paid for what, especially who needs to earn a living, and on the situations where you might actually be stealing someone else's living, or asking them to work for you for free (a situation I am sensitive to).

I think scholarly work should be open-source. Academics have salaries, usually paid for by the public, as is their research. They need to own their reputations, though, which is partly why crediting them or anyone else is important (the other part is that it is dishonest to claim authorship of someone else's work).

One problem with publishing the whole of what's on someone else's website, even if you do provide links, is that you are discouraging hits to that site -- why would most people click through if they can read the whole thing at your place?

I think it would be outrageous for publishers to say we couldn't copy pithy extracts and embed them into our own analyses, and I don't think we should even need permission for that if we link. That horse is so out of the barn and over the fields I can't see who would try it.

As for drive-by posts, we all make them some of the time (my last few have been), but unless you've got something like a press release (which is meant to be copied) or a public doc, I don't think you should be copying the entire text. Link; write an intro sentence; copy a sample para; and scoot. Nothing wrong with that imho.

There are a few blogs, though, that do nothing but link and copy. I don't understand that and don't like it much. Why blog if you don't have something of your own to say?


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Post Re: Anyone paying attention to our copyright laws?
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The AP sounds as though it is trying to think it through reasonably.


Not hardly. I would expect a full blown blogger boycott of AP.


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Wow.


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Well, but I don't see a date on that AP price list, even when I go to the original. It is so clearly contradicted by the article above (see my link) -- I seriously doubt they're going with a policy like that.

If they are, o' course -- screw 'em.


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What I find interesting, as Jeff Jarvis, CUNY professor of journalism points out on his blog, it's a bit rich of AP to pull this schtick, since its raison d'être is to take original work, homogenize it under the AP style and brand, and then pound back out, unsourced to the original reporting (as in the new deal with Google that lets Google become a content provider off the newswire, bypassing the original journalist). From Jarvis:
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This complaint comes from an organization that leaches off original reporting and kills links and credit to the source of that journalism. Yes, it has a right to reproduce reporting from member news organizations. But as I point out here, the AP is hurting original reporting by not crediting and linking to the journalism at its source. We should be operating under an ethic of the link to original reporting; this is an ethic that the AP systematically violates.


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This article dated today still talks about a Thursday meeting "with Robert Cox, president of the Media Bloggers Association, as part of an effort to create standards for online use of AP stories by bloggers that would protect AP content without discouraging bloggers from legitimately quoting from it."

Might actually just be the same story quoted above.

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Robert Cox is a jerk, and a have a stack of jerkish emails to prove it.


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The more closely people read AP's Terms of Use, the more ridiculous AP looks (emphasis in the original).

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...their Terms of Use explicitly prohibit you, even if you’ve paid them, from quoting the Associated Press in order to criticize the Associated Press...


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And since I was the one who mentioned boycott earlier, here's the reaction from the Great Orange Satan:
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Lots of blogs are calling for boycotts of AP content. Not me. I'm going to keep using it. I will copy and paste as many words as I feel necessary to make my points and that I feel are within bounds of copyright law (and remember, I've got a JD and specialized in media law, so I know the rules pretty well). And I will keep doing so if I get an AP takedown notice (which I will make a big public show of ignoring). And then, either the AP -- an organization famous for taking its members work without credit -- will either back down and shut the hell up, or we'll have a judge resolve the easiest question of law in the history of copyright jurisprudence.

The AP doesn't get to negotiate copyright law. But now, perhaps, they'll threaten someone who can afford to fight back, instead of cowardly going after small bloggers.


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Of course, in combination with CIRA's new "who is" policy, if I were to offend THE AP, THE AP will be able to demand that CIRA disclose my personal information to them in order to prosecute me.


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